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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jul 31, 2009 4:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: SCARLET>FIRE

SCARLET BEGONIAS> FIRE ON THE MOUNTAIN

This tandem was first played on May 18th, 1977 (also the debut of Fire) and last played on 06-21-1995. Scarlet Begonias had debuted on March 23rd, 1974. This pairing was most often played as a second set opener.

The following is a short list of the best Scarlet>Fires that I've heard on tape...

1) 05-08-1977 Barton Hall, Ithaca, NY has the precision, the inspiration, the energy and the jams to be called the King...
http://www.archive.org/details/gd77-05-08.sbd.hicks.4982.sbeok.shnf

2) 10-10-1980 Warfield, San Francisco, CA my personal favorite, a nicely played Scarlet leads into a straight ahead jam that cruises, hangs on Garcia's space chords, then slips into Fire beautifully, the Fire intro is nailed and this arrangement of Fire shows the band at it's ensemble best, recreating the song before your ears...Garcia's playing gets right to the point and he brings the plane down low over the flames before bringing out the fan for the finish...
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1980-10-10.mtx.chappell.sb03.28740.flac16

3) 03-31-1988 Meadowlands, E. Rutherford super tight, another classically nailed intro by the band, Garcia touches the sun for just a moment or two during Fire
http://www.archive.org/details/gd88-03-31.fm.miller.25528.sbeok.shnf

4) 10-02-1977 Paramount Theatre Portland, Oregon the Scarlet jam into Fire takes on a very organic sound, Fire has only two verses but Garcia spins Mutron pedal magic
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1977-10-02.sbd.cantor.gmb.86354.sbeok.flac16

5) 10-19-1981 Barcelona, Spain, tight version, all the way around...Garcia uses more of his distortion for the solos
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1981-10-19.sbd.miller.95781.sbeok.flac16

6) 03-22-1990 Copps Coliseum- Excellent Scarlet leads to very driven jam that soon midifies itself into a brilliantly Garcia lead segue into Fire...great playing in Fire...this version is featured on the So Many Roads release...
http://www.archive.org/details/gd90-03-22.sbd-matrix.aj.453.sbefail.shnf

7) 06-18-1983 Saratoga Performing Arts Center - best 1983 version, tis a shame that no soundboard exists. This version has great energy through and through...
http://www.archive.org/details/gd83-06-18.set2.aud-silberman.miller.21741.sbeok.shnf

8) 10-17-1978 Winterland very dynamic Scarlet>Fire combo
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1978-10-17.sbd.unknown.32906.sbeok.shnf

honorable mention: 02-05-1978 (Dick's Picks, Godcheauz and Garcia lock in on some beautiful runs, somewhat sloppy), 02-03-1979 (one of the best Scarlets and jams), 04-11-1978, 05-08-1979 (bubbly '79), 11-01-1979 (secret track on Dick's Picks 13), 07-31-1982 (well played), 09-08-1983 Red Rocks, great Jerry solos, 04-20-1984, 06-16-1985, 12-28-1986 (Garcia steps up), 09-14-1990, 06-07-1991 (very edgy), 09-04-1991, 10-01-1994 (last great version)

these account for the top 10%...some folks with throw in 11-30-1980 and 10-14-1994, both I don't get...11-30 does have a real nice Scarlet into Fire intro jam, but Garcia's playing is disappointing in Fire...10-14-1994 rambles on like a drunk uncle, Garcia insists on this horrid hawaiian harmonizer effect and twenty five minutes is just too damn long to comp 2 chords while some dude sounds like he's toying around at guitar center...

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 31, 2009 5:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SCARLET>FIRE

Thanks, strat - always good to have something new to explore. It's not on your list but this is a Scarlet/Fire transition I've always enjoyed because of Jerry's seeming certainty of where he was going every step of the way - almost as if he had the music written down in front of him. There's a quiet inevitability about it that I like.


http://www.archive.org/details/gd77-04-23.sbd.jerugim.1827.sbefail.shnf

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Aug 1, 2009 4:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SCARLET>FIRE - longer list

Another site admin, who asks that links not be publicly posted, mounted an audio compilation of "Noteworthy Scarlet>Fires." He says this "is closely based on a list put together by Eric Wybenga and published in his book _Dead To The Core: An Almanac of the Grateful Dead_. ... Fortunately we are able to find SBDs for most all of his selections, and AUDs for the choices that are commercially released or are simply not available as SBDs. So the collection is nearly exactly as Eric envisioned it." This was shared at bt.eTree.org, October 2008.

Anyway, the Scarlet>Fires he thought worth extracting and compiling together were these:

74-06-28
74-08-06
76-10-09
77-03-18
77-05-08
77-05-13
77-11-02
78-02-05
78-04-08
78-04-24
78-09-16
78-11-24
78-12-31
79-02-03
80-10-31
82-04-03
82-08-06
83-04-13
83-09-08
83-10-14
84-07-13
85-06-16
85-07-01
85-09-15
86-06-22
87-08-23
88-03-16
88-06-28
88-07-15
89-08-06
90-02-26
90-03-22
90-09-14
90-12-27
91-03-21
91-04-27
91-06-25
91-08-16
91-09-20
92-05-21
92-06-12
93-09-13
94-03-30
94-06-19
94-07-03
94-10-01
94-10-14
95-03-23
95-05-26

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Poster: barongsong Date: Aug 1, 2009 5:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SCARLET>FIRE - longer list

good list but no 7-7-89 or 3-2-87 makes it seem incomplete.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Aug 1, 2009 6:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SCARLET>FIRE - longer list

lists have to end somewhere, with the Dead, there's always a version or two that get left out...I don't want to water it down too much...

I actually thought about 07-07-89, I had relistened to it, beyond flashes of Garcia guitar enthusiasm in the middle of fire, there is nothing noteworthy about either song of the jams, actually 04-06-89 http://www.archive.org/details/gd89-04-06.sbd.unknown.5492.sbeok.shnf might be better a better '89...as for 03-02-87, Scarlet>Fire was not played at this show...the best 87 version is 07-08-87...

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Poster: barongsong Date: Aug 1, 2009 11:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SCARLET>FIRE - longer list

opps sorry I meant 4-2-87. One of the most ripping speed versions that I can think of. Yea the only thing noteworthy about the 7-7-89 is that it sounded to me like a return to 77 style of playing it and almost flawlessly at that. Love that 4-6-89 one too. That whole second set cooks.

This post was modified by barongsong on 2009-08-02 06:16:44

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Aug 1, 2009 4:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SCARLET>FIRE > More Cowbell Please


http://www.archive.org/details/gd83-04-13.sbd.sacks.1614.sbeok.shnf

also a good AUD (but missing drums)

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1983-04-13.nak300.andrewf.82876.flac16

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jul 31, 2009 8:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SCARLET>FIRE

Glad to see 10/2/77 on this list. That's a show I've written about here a couple of times as being one of the most overlooked (in that it rarely makes anyone's top five for the year) and noteworthy (in that it is awesomeness personified) of 1977. This is due in no small part to the S>F, which easily stands toe to toe with Cornell in my book.

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Poster: Dead Surfer Date: Jul 31, 2009 5:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SCARLET>FIRE

Don't forget about this one! http://www.archive.org/details/gd1989-08-06.sbd.miller.89966.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: Edsel Date: Jul 31, 2009 6:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SCARLET>FIRE

A guy down the aisle thought I was glowing, couldn't bring myself to tell him I was....all I could do was smile smile smile.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1979-02-10.set2.sbd.miller.97352.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: NorthStarDead Date: Aug 1, 2009 9:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SCARLET>FIRE

That is one trippy S>F. Jerry's voice is not in the best form, but his guitar playin in great.
Glad I took the mini trip.

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Poster: B.C. Cox Date: Jul 31, 2009 9:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SCARLET>FIRE

we got your eye on that edsel... look inside the butt hut, you'll think it 4th of july.

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Poster: G. Ganter Date: Dec 26, 2009 4:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SCARLET>FIRE

Try 1980-05-11. The howling feedback during Fire alone is enough to make this a worthy candidate. If you've never heard it, you won't be sorry: use Steve Rolfe's audience recording which, despite the audience noise, has got Jerry up front. The transition is short, energetic, and amazing---Bobby and Jerry are shooting fireballs through space.
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1980-05-11.nak700.rolfe.minches.98929.flac16

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Aug 1, 2009 5:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SCARLET>FIRE

How have so many left this off the list?

http://www.archive.org/details/gd78-09-02.sbd.jools.7925.sbeok.shnf